9 Million downloads a day and Belle. Why the opportunity with Nokia is growing for Qt developers

Published Tuesday August 30th, 2011
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Qt’s positive impact for smartphone users in the form of better looking UIs and great Qt apps in Ovi store is becoming more evident.

Nokia 600

The Nokia 600 is a new opportunity for your Qt mobile app

We see the numbers. We know Qt mobile app download numbers are growing every week. There are now 100+ Million smartphones in people’s hands capable of running Qt applications. After we introduced the new Qt SDK in May and shared the news that Qt will be a core component in the Nokia strategy to bring apps to the next billion mobile phones, the submission of Qt apps to the Ovi Store has catapulted!

Nokia users now rack up more than 9 million downloads every day from the Ovi Store ,and many of these apps such as recent award winners  Sparkle and ShutterPro Premium are made with Qt.

Qt on Symbian. Belle UI a new chapter for Symbian
Increased user appreciation of Qt apps and the new and much improved Symbian Belle update offer benefits to Nokia users and Qt mobile developers.

1) In time, users will be able to upgrade existing Symbian smartphones such as Nokia N8, Nokia E7, Nokia C6-01 to the new Belle UI. The new user experience combined with more native Qt apps make these phones much more attractive and sets the bar for Qt applications higher than ever before

2). Three new Nokia smartphones, the Nokia 600, Nokia 700 and Nokia 701, were recently announced.

They feature Symbian Belle, CPU speeds of up to 1Ghz and improved graphic processors/memory. Combining better hardware capabilities with improved capabilities inside the Qt SDK such as the new ready-made Qt Quick UI components make it easier than ever to create great apps for your own and others’ delight.

It is also important for you to know that Nokia has announced plans to launch more new Symbian smartphones and to support the platform until at least 2016.

Qt on Nokia N9, a new chapter for Linux
On the mobile Linux side of things, the beautiful Nokia N9 has Qt baked into its DNA and we really look forward to it hitting the market and adding yet another device for you as a Qt developer to target.

Qt Developer Days, a new chapter for you?
The eighth consecutive year of Qt Developer Days is for every open source or commercial Qt developer, regardless of which platforms you are interested in. In addition to the comprehensive, cutting edge Qt desktop and embedded sessions at the event (we have added tracks – there are more desktop and embedded sessions than ever before), we are also offering special Nokia mobile training and sessions outlining how you can benefit from the wide range of possibilities Qt enables in general and with Nokia. Explore the Tech Track 

Developers can take advantage of our early bird pricing offer by registering now for Munich in October or San Francisco in November.

To summarize:

Qt Quick, ongoing improvements such as Symbian Belle and beautiful Qt-based products like the Nokia N9 are examples of the exciting mobile Qt opportunities available already today. With Qt for the next billion, there are also compelling opportunities for tomorrow.

With factors such as the 9 Million downloads a day in mind, I believe that using Qt to serve the needs of Nokia users around in the world is something you as a Qt developer can benefit greatly from.

I also believe the use of Qt in 70+ other industries and the huge variety of Qt-powered screens people encounter every day has a lot of potential. Leveraging a combination of the two – Nokia mass market use of Qt and the widespread use of Qt in desktop and embedded products, UIs and applications everywhere – can be a new opportunity for all of us. And I welcome your views on the possibilities this enables.

I look forward to meeting up with you at Qt Developer Days as well as at our Qt events in Beijing and Tokyo during December.

Daniel Kihlberg,
Director Qt Ecosystem

 

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52 comments

Thorbjørn says:

Hi

This is a bit off topic … however I do like to know what plans Nokia has with Qt … I am not really worried about Qts future, but …

Elop has been slapped by (economic) analysts for giving up Symbian before he had a new (preferable better selling) solutions in his hands. Nevertheless he has repeated ‘the mistake’ with MeeGo.

First he has called MeeGo a ‘disaster’ even if it has become very good reviews (IMHO a bit better than the onces WP7 got).
(Now I have heard of Companies trying to sell disasters (like Microsoft did with Windows ME) – but I have never before heard of CEOs calling products that they (should?) want to sell a disaster)

Secondly he afterwards told that N9 will be the last MeeGo phone from Nokia regardless how it sold. (That sounds really stupid if Nokias main goal was to earn money … – but maybe that is not what is important …)

Thirdly he reduces the markets where it would be sold. (Not in US, not germany, not GB .. probably more places)

He has made me give up! Under these circumstances I an not planning to buy a MeeGo from Nokia. As far as I can see, Elop wants to ensure that a non MS product can not have any success in Nokia and as CEO of Nokia he will be successful with that mission! Surely, he will later try to say: “Look how few N9 smartphones we sold” (Ignoreing his own behaviour to destroy these sales)

Elops seems to follow a 100% MS strategy even though it is both risky and will give MS the posibiblity to demand whatever price it wants for Windows after 5 years when the deal expires. (meaning that MS nearly can take over Nokia in 5 years – that is if Nokia survives that long and has not been sold)

Considering this MS only strategy it is noticed that Qt is non MS either – and futhermore the only obvious reason that Nokia maintained and developed Qt was for MeeGo.

So we are back to the rest of the first line …

I am not really worried about Qts future (since it is LGPL and GPL), but ….

a. What are Nokias future plans for Qt?
b. Does Nokia plan to stop maintaining and devloping on Qt?
c. If there is no plan – why does Elop pay developers for developing on a framework that he and MS dislikes?
d. Why should anyone (like me) buy a MeeGo Phone from Nokia, when the CEO talks about ‘a disaster’ and it is on its way out?

(The answer to c could be ‘to lower Nokias value’ for a possible MS buy, but I really don’t believe that. First of all Nokia shares has already lost ~50% after Elop – and secondly there are things even Trojans rarely do, since it would imply a big risk of being discovered and removed from the system)

I know that Rich Green has defended the future of Qt and MeeGo at Nokia after the MS deal, but he has taken a leave from Nokia ‘for medical reasons’ (maybe a depression from working under Elop?). Certainly he won’t he won’t return to Nokia (unless Elop gets fired), so the situation for Qt is now different from when Mr. Green talked about a Nokia future with MeeGo and Qt.

So – now I would really like the new CTO (Henry Tirri) – or some other chief at Nokia to answer the questions above and mainly:
What are Nokias future plans for Qt?

Thanks in advance.

/Thorbjørn

PS:
(To question c). I am not wishing that Elop fires all or a lot of the Qt-developers (there is only one person in Nokia that I hope would be fired really soon). However – I just don’t see the logic here, so I would like some answers…

Daniel Kihlberg says:

Thorbjørn, Javi, Gordon et al.
Nokia is investing in Qt to build great phones for the future ergo Nokia will continue to develop Qt.
The MeeGo phone is a beautiful handset and great example of what Qt can deliver. It is easy to develop for Qt, and also fun to deploy apps on Nokia N9s.
Nokia believes in the power of Qt and a big open Qt ecosystem to make Qt better, provide great development tools, and deliver a rich solutions ecosystem to the next billion mobile phone users.
Today, we have a bigger market than ever for Qt apps and we have more successful developers with Qt than ever before across desktop, embedded (set top boxes, IP TVs, IP Phones, e-book readers, home media & appliances, automotive infotainment systems, vending machines…) and of course mobile.
Again, Nokia is investing in Qt to be part of the strategic pillar that brings apps to the next billion of mobile phones. It is investing heavily in Qt 5 and rolling out open governance to support a diverse Qt industry ecosystem. More information about those activities on Qt Labs.
Qt also delivers immediate opportunity through Symbian devices with better hardware, better UI and a store with 9 Million downloads a day. And that was the point I tried to make…/ Daniel

qtnex says:

+1 for Thorbjørn

where is the Qt logic business for Nokia ( symbian is already out for Usa market, Nokia don’t wants to sell for Meego …) : Is Qt (and so Qt developer ) onlyg usefull for Nokia for transition or is there a true futur for Qt in Nokia … for now, since februar, we have no true signal to trust nokia … We need more than bla bla … about Symbian and Meego …

Nicola says:

+1 for Thorbjørn

Gordon Freeman says:

@Thorbjørn: The logic is that Nokia panicked because MeeGo was taking too long to reach market and they were falling behind in the smartphone space.

What they should have done is held their mud and concentrated on Symbian, while MeeGo baked a bit longer in the oven. An update like Belle is great — looks terrific and is running on good hardware. And with the N9 receiving great reviews it’s clear that Nokia had a winning strategy with Qt on the smartphone. They just needed some patience.

Rather than staying the course though, Nokia decided to commit corporate suicide instead, and now they have to try and convince people to keep buying what is essentially a dead platform – Symbian – until their Windows phones make it to market. As a result Nokia stock is worth around half what it was back in Feb.

It’s such a shame, both as a developer and a consumer, to watch this happening, especially now that we can see how good the N9 is and how much fun it would have been to develop Qt apps for future MeeGo devices. That’s all a pipe dream now.

Still I wouldn’t worry too much about Qt yet. With Digia in the mix it looks like Qt will still have strong commercial backing, and obviously Nokia are yet to pull funding from Qt development. If, after Nokia’s Windows phones start selling, Qt repo commits slow to a crawl, then would be a good time to look to other software libraries.

Javi Moya says:

Gordon Freeman: you are too optimistic.

Please… go to Nokia website and read about public Nokia future plans.

They are just maintaining QT because there are 2 years before symbian dead… and they need some apps.

After that… Nokia says it clearly: the only platform will be WP7,

Lilian says:

Who they thing believes in all that?
They should improve the desktop instead of wasting time on Symbian…
“Qt on Nokia N9, a new chapter for Linux” – they said it pretty loud that it will be not supported and they don’t care about this platform.

Gordon Freeman says:

@Javi Moya: Yes I’m still optimistic about Qt’s future (not so much about Nokia’s). It’s such great technology that I can’t imagine the Trolls will let it die a slow death, at Nokia or anywhere else.

I’m still hopeful that once Nokia is finished pushing Symbian and no longer has any need to fund Qt they’ll sell it off to an interested party, hopefully with the very talented Trolls at the helm. Who knows, by the time they see the sales figures of their Windows phones they might be needing the extra money… 😉

Either way, I’m just concerned as you are about the long term future of Qt. It needs money behind it, and now that it’s LGPL’d, going back to the previous licensing model Trolltech used might not be so lucrative. So if Nokia pull the plug in a couple of years, what happens?

Developer says:

@Thorbjørn & followers: I happen to think that Elop made the correct decisions with Symbian and MeeGo. Symbian has proved not to scale into highest-end smart-phones and N9 with Harmattan (not MeeGo) contains something great! Please embrace the work around Qt with more momentum than ever and try to move on.

@Daniel: As a Qt user I’m excited of all this, Nokia and Qt(5) really have what it takes to reach the next billion! Keep up the good work!!

qtnext says:

@Developer : you can tell N9 as a Harmattan device and not Meego : but it seems that Nokia do all that I can do make Harmattan a dead end ( not distribute in a lots of big countries, Elop said that it’s the last … ) : For sure we have a dual communication : For public Meego, Symbian is dead (for example in US there will be no more symbian), WP7 is the futur, and for us : a wonderfull N9, brilliant futur for Symbian … bla bla bla ….

Anonymous says:

Good luck trying to get any phone developers to use Nokia/Qt after how poorly the last generation of developers were treated.

Why would anyone take that risk, when they can develop for Android, Apple, or even Blackberry, and be guaranteed that the platform will exist at least for the next couple of years.

It’s a shame, I really wanted a supported Meego phone.

bah says:

+1 for Thorbjørn

i’m tired to hear lies over lies…Qt on Nokia N9, a new chapter for Linux….please stop writing these stupid blog posts…

Yuvraaj Kelkar says:

@Daniel: Your optimism is duly noted, but a Qt developer like me there is absolutely no incentive to continue Qt on Nokia hardware any more if Nokia moves to Windows phones that don’t support Qt.
The typical Nokia answer to this argument is to port apps to W7 phone.
As a developer who chose to use Qt specifically for its cross-platform capabilities, why would I care to “port” anything to a platform that doesn’t support Qt?
Wouldn’t it be a win-win for MS, Nokia, developers and users if Nokia’s one strategy going forward is Qt on *all* it’s platforms?

tl;dr: Do what it takes to get Qt on WP7 and everyone in the ecosystem and beyond will love you.

Quim Gil says:

I understand that the situation could be better, but still… with Qt you are reaching all the high end devices announced by Nokia this year plus whatever else comes from Symbian. That’s a significant user base that is growing every month in plain numbers (and that are downloading more apps, as Daniel says in his post). Then moving forward you have the ‘next billion’ strategy from Nokia and of course whatever else comes from other Qt stakeholders in several form factors. Still pretty good, I would say.

About MeeGo, maybe this post will help you understanding a couple of things beyond the labels: http://flors.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/the-four-wheels-spinning-meego-1-2-harmattan/

With devices like the Nokia N9 or the current and new Symbian devices and the great SDK and community Qt has, I believe that developing on Qt is productive and fun. Of course you have to make your own decisions but make sure you do them based on the right arguments.

zhxt says:

+1 for Thorbjørn.
#for linux
What is the ‘another device’ for developers and users?

Joe says:

I think it’s time for Elops himself to come out and make everything clear. Will Nokia support Meego? N9? Qt? And how long(how much) it will be? Please tell the anwsers to the world loudly.

qtnext says:

– I think we all believe in Qt for the technical side, we all like Qt for cross platform (so support Android ios port seems logical ….), we are all afraid of the commercial support from Nokia regarding recent events :

just some points :
– Richard Green : the point of view before He left Qt : http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/16/nokia-cto-rich-green-speaks-about-qt/
– N9 : http://theunlockr.com/2011/06/24/nokia-ceo-confirms-n9-will-be-first-and-last-meego/
– Symbian in US : http://news.techeye.net/mobile/nokia-pulls-out-of-us-and-canada-symbian-phone-market

Unma says:

IMHO, “next billion” plan mainly refers to dumping your low-end devices to Africa,South America and Asia-pacific area(Japan is not included, since Nokia has completely “retreated” from the Japaneses market according to the news I read recently http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/01/nokia-pulls-out-of-japan-once-again-nobody-notices/). As a Chinese, I don’t find this plan fascinating at all or see the point to consume the products you have no other place to sell. Namely, North America, Europe, and Japan; simply counting on the people in developing countries to pay your bills. No offence, but that is how I and most of my friends feel. (Luckily, you still have millions of consumers here don’t read any tech news, they simply support Nokia as a brand with little thinking.)

As for Qt. I think you’re here waste of your time again to yield answer from Mr. Elop. Why would Mr. Elop be bothered to concern the further of a toolkit which has nothing to do with the product he’s now trying to promote? It would be the biggest mercy of him to ensure that developers with Qt still have bread to win by maintaining the business of Symbian( actually,as most of you may know, it’s just because Nokia need Symbian users to slowly transfer to WP7 users). What else do you expect? If you really looking forward to something, you may pray the market in Asia-pacific area get booming, no matter it’s for Symbian, N9, or WP7. As long as there is a profit. Nokia will continue invest to N9 and Qt.

xiamiaoren says:

I am worried about Qt’s future.

dialingo says:

+1 for Thorbjørn.

What is the target market for a Qt developer?
– Symbian Smartphone devices?
Nokia has excellent devices but people who need apps better stay away from Symbian, because Symbian will be discontinued.

– The next Billion devices?
It is impossible to develop for a device when the specification is not even known. Also the lifetime of this class of devices is limited. Wp7 will be prioritized as soon as it is able to scale down.

Quim Gil says:

Let me recap with some facts for those willing to look beyond the decision of Nokia to mix Qt with Windows Phone:

– Today the userbase of Qt powered devices from Nokia is growing with more customers and new devices.

– Today the volume of downloads of Qt apps in Nokia devices is growing fast.

– Today the Qt toolkit and SDK are great tools to use and work with. While 4.7 is being maintained as stable branch, 4.8 and Qt5 are under development.

– Today Qt Quick is gaining adoption as a complement to C++/C and Javascript/HTML5, and it is jumping to desktop as well. The results for platform and application developers are tangible.

– Today Nokia is committed to the Qt open governance project and is in talks with whoever is contributing, deploying or having other business cases around Qt.

– Today projects like the Necessitas port for Android (available in Android market) or the PhoneGap support for Qt (WIP) are expanding, bringing Qt closer to other areas independent from the Nokia strategy.

– In fact today the Qt SDK download volumes are higher than ever and growing, and Qt Dev Days are getting more sessions submitted than ever both in Munich and San Francisco.

About the future:

– Nokia has just announced new devices shipping the latest from Qt Quick & Mobility while the 4.8 experimental branch is offered next to the Qt SDK. The life cycle for these products and releases hasn’t even properly started and they are expected to be used by more millions, keeping the current growing trend.

– The Qt team has set the foundations of Qt5 and they are working hard on it. Nokia is paying for most of this development as part of its strategy. Nokia and others have big plans around it.

– About ‘the next billion’ strategy: anybody working today in Qt Quick & Qt Mobility is already working towards ‘the next billion’ while publishing actual releases for actual users today. Those of you interested in web-style development: check also the tighter integration of Javascript & HTML5 in the Qt5 plans.

All these are facts you can check today.

About sales, countries and Qt/WP segmentation, the fact is that a lot more has been speculated by others than officially announced by Nokia. The truth for Qt developers will ultimately come from Qt apps downloaded and your ‘return of investment’ evaluation according to your motivations: income, user base, fun, etc. Just make sure your motivations are aligned with your technology selections. We believe Qt is a good answer for many, and actually the Qt project welcomes anybody willing to bring the future of Qt further.

max says:

when will qt 4.8 release. It’s very very long time since qt4.7 release. nokia cut lots of qt development staff?

Knut Yrvin says:

@dialingo: What is the target market for a Qt developer?

Symbian, MeeGo and Android devices. Several apps are made with the community supported Qt version for Android, also known as Necessitas. In “addition” Qt got a bigger marked than ever across desktop and embedded systems (set-top boxes, Internet TVs, e-book readers, vending machines, infotainment systems for cars etc.). Qt is used in +70 industries, being in more use than ever before.

The number of downloaded apps from OVI Store has tripled in nine months, from 3 million a day in November 2010 to more than 9 millions a day at the end of August this year. Many of those apps are made with Qt. In addition we’ve experience a steady growth in Qt downloads, including developers who uses Qt Developer Network.

Regarding the next billion mobile phones. It’s possible to use Qt and Qt Quick to make applications for devices not specified yet, based a qualified guess and former experience with Qt on mobile phones.

I hope that you’ll take this experiences under consideration when using Qt also in the future.

Knut Yrvin says:

@max: Qt 4.8 Beta was released July 19. Finale release date is not set. Also a final release candidate will happen before the finale 4.8.0 release.

We have been growing the Qt staff considerably last six months. Please look at our job openings on the ‘About us’ -> ‘Careers’ -> ‘Job Openings’ from the Qt home page.

Yuriy says:

@Knut Yrvin Confuse following facts:

I have passed news “Qt now an official platform for Android”. Android has appeared and has risen without Qt. What for to it Qt now. Besides Android takes away market Nokia+WP7.
Symbian leaves. Meego – fiction.

qtnext says:

@Knut … I hopes that it’s true … for info : Jobs openings … Go to two jobs … No more available… I see that Tiago Macieira seems to have leave Qt for Intel labs and if you check what’s Elop said the future is not Symbian, Not Meego and is WP7 with no Qt port … that’s what we see for now

vasu says:

@qtnext

I think that only shows the renewed interest intel has in QT. Intel has been hiring Qt developers the past year or so. prior to this, no one at intel had heard of Qt.

Qt/meego is making good inroads in IVI systems ( checkout their website). It is too early to rule Qt/meego out – I think that the folks here are projecting a life for Qt outside Nokia and the posters keep asking the same questions about life for Qt WITHIN Nokia.

Qt has a substantial life outside Nokia and that is expanding further. The open governance will expand that even further.

Knut Yrvin says:

@qtnext: Last I checked there several job openings. I know several who got a job offer lately. (Unfortunately It’s not always the job offering page at qt.nokia.com is correctly updated. Sorry for that).

Since we are moving to an open governance, more developers can contribute to Qt. Thiago’s switch to Intel in not a departure from Qt. He will contribute to Qt from Intel. It’s a natural order of things that smart people switches employer from time to time, seeking new challenges. I’m happy that Thiago and others who has switched employer, or starting their own business, are still using Qt. Several continues to contribute to Qt too.

Nokia’s future is not one single system. It’s several systems and three strategies. Qt will be a core component in bringing apps to the next billion mobile phones. Nokia’s strategy is not 1=1. It’s a three legged strategy with Smart phones, connecting next billion to the Internet, and future disruption. It’s 1+1+1=3.

@Yuriy: Qt is in it’s origin cross platform. By having community support for Qt on Android, you can get your app running on a huge chunk of the installed smartphone base, covering Symbian, Android and MeeGo. From a commercial point of view and time to market, it’s better to cover a bigger part of the smartphone cake reusing most of the code when targeting several platforms. That’s better than limiting your self to a single platform, or maintaining three-four separate code-bases with platform dependent tools.

I think you should be cynically interested in your own business, using the cross platform property of Qt, reaching out to as big market as you can – with as little effort as possible.

qtnext says:

@ Knut : thanks for this answer 🙂
I hopes we will shortly see that 🙂

Lilian says:

Ow, I knew that from the moment Nokia announced about WP7 plans a lot of Qt developers moved to Intel, but I didn’t know that Thiago moved there, such a fail for Nokia…

Why they lie about having more developers if we all know that a lot of developers leaved Nokia from the moment of announcement…

Quim Gil says:

Lilian, don’t put lies in our mouth quoting things that we haven’t said. The question was “nokia cut lots of qt development staff?” and the answer is no. The Qt developers that have move onto new endeavours have done so by own initiative, and Nokia is indeed hiring Qt developers.

Searching Nokia Careers AND “Research & Developent” AND “Qt” throughs 35 positions open now: http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&jobfield=200000105

Tarun Elankath says:

I can’t help feeling that Nokia’s overall strategy is highly confused. These feel good soundbites only serve to muddy waters since Qt is not supported on Windows mobile phones.

Infact these articles (along with sales figures for Windows Mobile) only go on to prove that the bird you already had in hand (Symbian and Meego) was much better than the one in the bush.

It looks like you guys should have stuck to your own platforms and not touched Windows Mobile at all. But, I guess you didn’t have much choice with a Redmond friendly CEO.

Rugoz says:

Next billion strategy…does it come with candy?

nic says:

This is all very good. I only wish Nokia would care not only about the next billion users, but also the next million developers, and make the Linux Qt SDK be able to target Symbian!

And please, avoid the 2016 thing. This is ridiculous, to have a scheduled death sentence that keeps being pushed forward. You should just say something like “Nokia has reiterated its commitment to Symbian” and leave the stupidity of having dates mentioned, and the uncertainty about the future of the platform in the mouth of your controversial CEO.

Unma says:

I don’t want to bust your bubbles dudes.
A redundancy is ongoing in Nokia China, which involved 160 employees from Symbian team. Anyone here who knows mandarin may find the news.

However, I believe, as someone has pointed out earlier from the tech side, Qt will be survival without Nokia. Good luck!

qtnext says:

and now …. http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4413
it seems that Intel don’t wants anymore to use Meego …
You win Elop ….
So : Symbian out, Meego Out, No Wp7 qt support, no official android support : Where is Qt going please …. Is it one day possible to have a trustable answer. …

kahola says:

I dont want to sound bad as I love qt, its amazing technology. But my experience while trying to develop for symbian was really bad. Though the tools have got a lot better in recent months, QtMobility still has lot of blocker bugs on the location side. To put it in simple words It was not reliable and usable enough.

Even if It gets better, why should I continue writing apps for devices that I already know wont exist after a few years. More so why should I invest time learning new API’s like mobility.

sammyl says:

As an independent developer, I think OVI store provides good opportunities (9 million daily downloads are alot of downloads) and there are far less competitions in OVI store than Apple App store. My only problem is in learning Qt mobile app development. Nokia, please provide more full features mobile App samples to make it easier to learn Qt development. (e.g. Receipt app sample for iOS demostrates database access, access to image gallery and onboard camera and ways to customise list and access to sub list).

+1 for Daniel
I’m hoping that you are right!

@Tarun
Yes, the strategy seems confusing, but l figure that these guys are smart, and that it’s confusing because I can’t see the whole picture.

Give it some time to play it out. I’m betting that Qt is a winner, and that the phone for “the next Billion” is a winner, and not a rehash of old technology.

Thorbjørn says:

Thanks for +1 and support to many in here 🙂

@Daniel Kihlberg
Like others also say – I really do not feel I/we get any real answers. I know that many you and your employees work hard and do your best for Qt – and I/we are thankful ! 🙂

However it does not mean that we can see the reason for Nokia to hold and maintain Qt – even with your answers. It seems strange to bet on a 100% MS strategy and at the same time ‘waste’ money on Qt. It can either be a (strange) move by a Trojan[*] or there can be some logic that however won’t be revealed before some questions are answered.

You talk good about Qt (and I/we like Qt) .. but …
1) WP7 from Nokia “won’t support” Qt
2) Symbian is dead – nobody would buy a Symbian today
3) MeeGo is almost doa – it is the last Nokia MeeGo.

So ….
a) How long will MeeGo live?
b) Are other Qt systems like MeeGo planed?
c) If not – what is Nokias plans with Qt after MeeGo?
d) Why should I buy a MeeGo ? (It is difficult to say that I will support Qt since N9 is the last MeeGo regardless of sales!?)
e) Why do we get ‘talk’ as answers? – is Elop the only one who knows the answers?
f) Why should I use Qt for a possible Phone development?
g) You might have a lot of Qt desktop users – but why do you care when it gives you no income?

Please feel free to answer the above – maybe the new CTO want to make some comments (like Green did).
Thanks in advance!

/Thorbjørn

[*] I am not saying that Elop for sure is a Trojan, but I do think/suspect he is. Time will tell, but people refusing that it can be the case with the argument ‘then the board would have stopped him’, could learn something from the danish IT Factory history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stein_Bagger). Here the CEO was able to make a big fraud. The board was a bit incompetent and did not see any problems. The chairman was actually warned twice by a whistleblower – however he had a friendship with his CEO and trusted him blindly. Surely Elop is not making a big (personal) fraud – but if Nokia have nothing to protect itself from a heavy price increase after the deal expires and Nokia is fully depended on MS, it is hard not to conclude that Elop has done his very best for MS. (I could for sure have made better deal with MS – that would not contain the same gambling with Nokias future)

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Boris says:

> Why the opportunity … is growing
It is not growing!

Why should I (as a developer) accept long-term risks and spend my time studing technology without clean future picture when there’s Java/ObjectiveC nearby? They give me much more confidence about my future as a developer.

Maybe everything is OK with Qt right now. Maybe everything is OK with Qt next couple of years. But I don’t want to buy a ticket to a train which goes to … nobody knows actually where he goes to… ; when I can buy a ticket to the train which will bring me directly to the market winners.

What I am missing? Please tell me I’m mistaken.

Sincerely,
Qt certified developer

Frank Mertens says:

+1 Thorbjørn

You are all too clever. These marketing apes are looking for the really stupid people to fill their statistics. BTW if you want to come to the developer days I’m pretty sure there will be more developers using Qt on Android around than developers targeting Annabelle. See you there!

qtnext says:

samsung love meego ? http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-eyeing-intels-meego-tip-insiders-05177067/

Daniel Kihlberg says:

@Thorbjørn @Boris @Frank

With your support, we do our best to support the diverse Qt community: desktop, embedded, and mobile.
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Nokia strategy and Qt
Nokia has communicated that Windows Phone will be the primary smartphone OS, one of three pillars in the new Nokia strategy. The second pillar includes mobile phones to reach the next billion mobile phone users. The third pillar is Disruptive Innovation. Qt was publicly confirmed to be part of the second pillar at the Nokia Connection 2011.

Why Nokia and Qt on desktop:
Nokia uses Qt to develop on Windows, Linux and Mac, and will be using Qt as core component to build mobile phones for the next billion mobile users. Nokia is financially interested in Qt’s broader ecosystem for the same reason as many other companies using Qt for their future products: Qt gives Nokia faster time to market, better user experience, and a strong developer ecosystem.

Qt and Symbian:
If you have the skills and interest, please do not underestimate the opportunity Symbian may represents for you. Many consumers buy mobile phones based on “price and quality”, something Nokia does quite well. Downloads of Qt applications on Symbian smart phones are growing quickly. 9M downloads at the Ovi store per day provides perspective about the growing opportunity with Nokia.

When I managed mobile device R&D units, I remember the plans of how older phone systems 1G (NMT) would die and 2G (GSM, D-amps, CDMA..) would take over immediately, and how later 3G technologies (UMTS, W-CDMA…) would kill everything in a somewhat “black and white” setting. As engineers/technologists, I think we tend to over-estimate the speed of market shifts and do not always appreciate how market segments evolve over time at their own (slow) pace, and how sub-segments can arise around specific operators and local regional needs – where Nokia is better present than other mobile phone brands.

MeeGo
Is an open source project hosted by Linux Foundation, plans about the future of MeeGo with regard to Nokia is already clear and I look forward to the launch of Nokia N9.

Qt and Nokia N9:
The Nokia N9 is unique, beautiful, and does great UI things no other smart phone does. Buying Nokia N9 and developing for a Linux device is probably as much about developing for your own “satisfaction” as for potential financial reasons. I have it, and I love it – let’s swipe

Thanks to Qt, Nokia N9 development skills and code can be re-used across Symbian, Nokia N9 and up-coming mobile phones.

Qt as a technology (C++ and QML):
Qt is used heavily in over 70 industries, by many market leaders and has had 15 years of success. Investing in Qt as a technology provides multiple opportunities for developers coding with C++ or QML. There is an opportunity with Qt both now and in the future.

You can benefit from the opportunity with Nokia, from the community initiative with Qt on Android, from the opportunity represented by Qt’s widespread use on desktop and embedded… We are here to help you as Qt developers to also come together in forums, code camps, Qt Developer Days etc. and to make your use of Qt, as well as Qt itself, better prepared for the future – to the benefit of everyone.

As an engineer, this “talk” is what I can share with you know, and you are always welcome to continue the conversation with me at Qt Developer Days – see you there!

qtnext says:

just hopes that for the third pillar : disruptive … that Microsoft will not win with a lot of money the battle against the good technology Qt …
like first pillar (where one year ago it was clear on all Qt, Nokia Slide that it will be Qt …) .just my two cents …

Daniel Kihlberg, in reply to your last comment, the thing is I’m a Qt developer and I can’t even buy an N9 (living in the UK).

Antonio Cano says:

I also began with qt very passionately. And after February 2011 I was very dissapointed. And I stopped working on it.

But after these months I an getting back my illusion to work on Qt.

I guess that one positive thing is that the future of tablets in Windows 8 .And I think that because Qt already works on windows 7, qt will also work on windows 8.

Please, could someone please confirm if I am right with the qt-windows 8 ideas?

Thanks in advance,

A. Cano

nifkuzyaire says:

Hi,
I love Qt since i only know c++ and kind of i dislike java. life is short.
Guys i wish we can also support the new framework
openboxware.net Mono + qyoto + qt (see the architecture) and migration to win7 mobile would be much faster..

Thanks

Antonio Cano says:

@ nifkuzyaire

As fas as I know the main problem to port qt to Windows Phone 7 was the GCC C++ compiler (there is no such compiler for Windows Phone).

How does your framework solve that problem?

Oliver says:

Nokia reminds me of the guy who cannot find the courage to tell his girlfriend that the relationship is over, yet goes on to mislead her into committing herself deeper and deeper.

It is sad to say, but I see a lot of mad and confused people working at Nokia.
Okay, one mad person in charge of a lot of confused people.
Someone(Thorbjørn) asked some relevant questions, and they reply with marketing speak. Distorting reality and economising truth.

Nokia doesn’t seem to understand the meaning of customer loyalty and the appreciation and respect of such. Releasing the N9 in only a few countries is an insult.
Keeping the N9 as a viable and sustainable model for Qt on the mobile platform would assure developers return on investment in adopting the platform.
Already Elop as condemned symbian to a firey death.
What is the average time to market for mobile applications. How much time have new developers attracted to the Qt platform, to get applications to market before the 2016 date.
Of course 2016 isn’t when the plug is pulled on symbian. Winding down operations would have begun perhaps 2-3 years earlier.
So I guess there is as much optimism and enthusiasm as a property sale in a ghost town.

It is also interesting to see that Nokia is still committed to releasing 1000 different models of mobile devices, when only 5 would have sufficed. Even a low end model like the recently released 100 has 2 versions with a difference in price of perhaps $3-5. One would have assumed producing the more expensive model to the combined volume of both models, would have resulted in the same reduction in price.

I have heard of cowards but corporate cowards is something entirely new. So next step is corporate suicide. And I thought heavens gate and other religious mass suicide cults were a thing of the past.

Some Name says:

The real sad part about Qt is that it’s holding MeeGo hostage; put yourself in Intel’s shoes: if Intel wants to further develop MeeGo they are missing one essential peace of the puzzle: Qt. One might say that Qt is open source, open governance, blah blah, and Intel can therefore customize Qt to use it for MeeGo (without Nokia). But this is not really true: Intel really needs to influence Qt’s roadmap so that they have control of MeeGo. So without Qt, MeeGo is dead. Way to go, Elop.

Scorp1us says:

It comes down to this: Nokia is schizophrenic with phone OSs and markets. I will never own another Nokia phone. I had hoped to own an N9, byt Mr Elop says he knows better than I and I should buy a WP7 device. Well, that’s not going to happen.

I don’t really care about Nokia. I do care about Qt. And I never saw the Trolltech buyout a good thing. I was afraid this exact scenrio would happen – where Nokia is now looking to split itself from Qt.

Seeing the amount of development effort still going to Symbian is scary when they can’t decide if they are Meego/Hartman/Meamo/WP7.
The problems aren’t technical, they are leadership driven. Nokia made feature phones in a smartphone world and found out it can’t blossom over night. The move to WP7 will flop, Ballmer already admits: http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2011/07/ballmer-windows-phone-7-sales-very-small/ MS is an also-ran phone company.

Here’s my prediction, WP7 flops, Nokia abandons WP& and gets on the MeeGo/WhateverTheNameOfItIsThatMonthItIs and returns to making non-Android Linux phones.

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